Buck 120 32 Report post Posted August 2, 2007 I have a scenario question. My understanding is that "party" hunters are registered with the MNR and apply for a tag together. One of the group is the leader and the rest are eligible to hunt for whatever tag they get, as long as they are within communication, etc. The scenario I am wondering about it the following: 2 or 3 people not part of a "registered" group go hunting. One person has a bull tag. two other people have a calf tag. They decide to go out hunting together. Are either of the two hunters with the calf tags legally allowed to shoot a bull or participate in the hunt while they are hunting together with the guy that has the bull tag? Or is the hunter that has the bull tag the only one allowed to actually shoot the bull and participate in the hunt? MNR ANSWER I think that you’re confusing applying for an adult validation tag in a “group application” and hunting cooperatively or “party hunting”. For example, Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice are friends who get together every fall and moose hunt. They all would be satisfied in having one adult bull tag to share between them so they apply as a group in the draw. Bob, Carol and Ted are in Pool 1 and since Alice had a tag last year, she is in Pool 2. They apply for a bull tag in Wildlife Management Unit 13, which according to the MNR assures them of receiving a tag (based on the guaranteed group size of three Pool 1 hunters listed in the hunting summary). When the draw is run, Bob is randomly selected by the computer to receive the tag and Carol is selected as the alternate. Bob receives the adult validation tag in the mail and he sticks it to his game seal. His licence is now valid for a bull moose during the gun season in Wildlife Management Unit 13. Carol, Ted and Alice have moose game seals valid for calf moose only. Once the gun season opens, this group can choose to hunt together for the bull but only if they follow the “party hunting rules”. They can also invite any other moose hunter with a valid moose licence for the current year to hunt with them for the bull (even if that hunter has already put his/her tag on an animal) if they follow the “party hunting” rules. Bob can also choose to hunt by himself or with any other licenced moose hunters he chooses. The original “group” that applied together does not have to stick together. They have moose licences for calf and can choose to hunt calf moose anywhere in the province or they can join up with another hunter with an adult validation tag and hunt as a party. If Carol, Ted or Alice uses their game seal to tag a calf, they could still “party hunt” with someone who still has a valid game seal. The only person who can carry the bull tag (game seal) is Bob, since it was issued to him. The tag could be transferred to Carol prior to the season start. (If this was done, Carol would be in Pool 2 the following year and Bob would remain in Pool 1) Here are the party hunting rules: (found on page 23 of the 2007 Hunting summary) Party Hunting A person may hunt moose, deer or black bear in a party even if the person has previously attached his or her game seal to a moose, deer or black bear. The term “Party Hunting” means two or more persons hunting during an open season for moose, deer or black bear under all of the following conditions: • Each person has a valid licence to hunt moose, deer or black bear. • The total number of moose, deer or black bear killed by the party does not exceed the total number of game seals held by the members of the party licensed to hunt that species. • The total number of moose, deer or black bear of a specified sex, age or type killed by the party does not exceed the total number of game seals validated for that sex, age or type that are held by members of the party. • All members of the party hunt together in the same Wildlife Management Unit or portion thereof for which the game seal is valid. • Each member of the party hunts within five kilometres of the person who holds the game seal that is valid for the wildlife being hunted. • Each member of the party must be able to reliably and immediately communicate with other members of the party. (using radios, phone, sound/visual signals etc) • All members of the party, including the person who holds the seal that is valid for the wildlife that the party is hunting, actively participate in the hunt and hunt co-operatively. The person who kills the wildlife while hunting in a party shall immediately notify all other members of the party the wildlife has been killed and the game seal holder shall immediately affix the game seal to the wildlife in the manner prescribed on the game seal. At this point, party members at the kill site must determine the category of animals that may still be hunted. You must then make sure your other party members, who did not come to the kill site, are informed. The hunter in your party who killed the animal, and the hunter who attached the game seal, may continue hunting provided other members of your party possess valid, unused game seals. If you have questions about party hunting, the best time to get answers is before the hunt begins. Contact a Conservation Officer at the MNR office in the district in which you will be hunting. A list of MNR offices and phone numbers are listed on page 80 of the 2007 Hunting Summary. Reference: Ontario Regulation 665/98 made pursuant to the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act 1997, Sections 22 – 24.1 Ross Johnston Community Liaison Conservation Officer Suite B001, 435 S. James St. Thunder Bay, ON P7E 6S8 Telephone: 807-475-1521 Facsimile: 807-475-1527 Email: ross.johnston@ontario.ca website: www.mnr.gov.on.ca Quote Not just a 3 month season but a 12 month obsession!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crisop 65 Report post Posted August 2, 2007 from what i've been told and understand it's called party hunting and you can shoot his bull AS LONG as you have permission and it's agreed to BEFORE you start your hunt. you also have to be in contact with everyone an di beleive it's no more than 3km away from each other Quote 2017 Dog Lake Open Champion Line Cutter Fishy AF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech 2 Report post Posted August 2, 2007 Crisop is right.. You can apply in a group if you wanted, get your tag, and go with another group of hunters (if you live that long!) Happened to us a few years back.There's nothing in the group draw that says you have to hunt with the applicants that you applied with. And like Crisop said , as long as your in agreement before the hunt and within communication distance it's alright to have someone your hunting with shoot you bull or cow. By the way, just called the MNR and the bull tag (in my name) is on the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buck 120 32 Report post Posted August 25, 2007 Did you ever get an official response from the MNR on this Roger? Quote Not just a 3 month season but a 12 month obsession!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Some Old Guy 968 Report post Posted August 29, 2007 I think that you’re confusing applying for an adult validation tag in a “group application” and hunting cooperatively or “party hunting”. For example, Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice are friends who get together every fall and moose hunt. They all would be satisfied in having one adult bull tag to share between them so they apply as a group in the draw. Bob, Carol and Ted are in Pool 1 and since Alice had a tag last year, she is in Pool 2. They apply for a bull tag in Wildlife Management Unit 13, which according to the MNR assures them of receiving a tag (based on the guaranteed group size of three Pool 1 hunters listed in the hunting summary). When the draw is run, Bob is randomly selected by the computer to receive the tag and Carol is selected as the alternate. Bob receives the adult validation tag in the mail and he sticks it to his game seal. His licence is now valid for a bull moose during the gun season in Wildlife Management Unit 13. Carol, Ted and Alice have moose game seals valid for calf moose only. Once the gun season opens, this group can choose to hunt together for the bull but only if they follow the “party hunting rules”. They can also invite any other moose hunter with a valid moose licence for the current year to hunt with them for the bull (even if that hunter has already put his/her tag on an animal) if they follow the “party hunting” rules. Bob can also choose to hunt by himself or with any other licenced moose hunters he chooses. The original “group” that applied together does not have to stick together. They have moose licences for calf and can choose to hunt calf moose anywhere in the province or they can join up with another hunter with an adult validation tag and hunt as a party. If Carol, Ted or Alice uses their game seal to tag a calf, they could still “party hunt” with someone who still has a valid game seal. The only person who can carry the bull tag (game seal) is Bob, since it was issued to him. The tag could be transferred to Carol prior to the season start. (If this was done, Carol would be in Pool 2 the following year and Bob would remain in Pool 1) Here are the party hunting rules: (found on page 23 of the 2007 Hunting summary) Party Hunting A person may hunt moose, deer or black bear in a party even if the person has previously attached his or her game seal to a moose, deer or black bear. The term “Party Hunting” means two or more persons hunting during an open season for moose, deer or black bear under all of the following conditions: • Each person has a valid licence to hunt moose, deer or black bear. • The total number of moose, deer or black bear killed by the party does not exceed the total number of game seals held by the members of the party licensed to hunt that species. • The total number of moose, deer or black bear of a specified sex, age or type killed by the party does not exceed the total number of game seals validated for that sex, age or type that are held by members of the party. • All members of the party hunt together in the same Wildlife Management Unit or portion thereof for which the game seal is valid. • Each member of the party hunts within five kilometres of the person who holds the game seal that is valid for the wildlife being hunted. • Each member of the party must be able to reliably and immediately communicate with other members of the party. (using radios, phone, sound/visual signals etc) • All members of the party, including the person who holds the seal that is valid for the wildlife that the party is hunting, actively participate in the hunt and hunt co-operatively. The person who kills the wildlife while hunting in a party shall immediately notify all other members of the party the wildlife has been killed and the game seal holder shall immediately affix the game seal to the wildlife in the manner prescribed on the game seal. At this point, party members at the kill site must determine the category of animals that may still be hunted. You must then make sure your other party members, who did not come to the kill site, are informed. The hunter in your party who killed the animal, and the hunter who attached the game seal, may continue hunting provided other members of your party possess valid, unused game seals. If you have questions about party hunting, the best time to get answers is before the hunt begins. Contact a Conservation Officer at the MNR office in the district in which you will be hunting. A list of MNR offices and phone numbers are listed on page 80 of the 2007 Hunting Summary. Reference: Ontario Regulation 665/98 made pursuant to the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act 1997, Sections 22 – 24.1 Ross Johnston Community Liaison Conservation Officer Suite B001, 435 S. James St. Thunder Bay, ON P7E 6S8 Telephone: 807-475-1521 Facsimile: 807-475-1527 Email: ross.johnston@ontario.ca website: www.mnr.gov.on.ca Quote R.T.R. Respect the resource! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites