grumpy 2 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Way off base there wampa. It's not a small vocal minority, it's a large vocal majority. And no one's trying to ruin anything, they are just saying don't put the condos in THE PARK! Whats so hard to understand about that? No one said DON'T build them, they are just saying move them over a couple of hundred yards out of the park. The land is there, why not use it?? Is that so difficult to understand? I am sorry Terry I think you are in the minority. Attracting residence to the downtown core is only going to help. Increased tax revenue immediate recapture of costs from the sale of the units. A plan was created and we should follow through. The problem with our council is they always listen to the complainers the minority. I sure hope that this plan flies, please go to the city web site and review the plan. http://www.thunderbay.ca/waterfrontgallery...x.cfm?fuse=home Why build the stuff way out of the way on pool 6. If I was visiting Thunder bay I would rather rent a condo down by the water front or stay in a new hotel that was a 500 metre walk to the downtown core rather than a 2km walk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TerryK Report post Posted February 12, 2008 I'm afraid you two are the ones who are way off base. Maybe if you actually read the plan or perhaps voiced your concern when it was put up for public review. It's kind of like the people that don't bother to suhow up and vote and then complain about the government after they have been voted in. WTF make's you think I didn't???? Did your crystal ball tell you that they didn't see me sitting at any of the public forums they had on the matter? Did it also show you that I haven't read any of the info or plans? I guess it also told you that I didn't apply to be on the pubic advisory council? Grumpy: You need to do a bit more research before you try to tell me I'm wrong. You obviously didn't even LOOK at the proposed plan before you came up with your conclusion, whereas I've been studying this whole plan since it's inception. If you would look at the overall site map on page 2 of the Overall Poster of the link you provided, you will clearly see that the Pool 6 property is DIRECTLY adjacent to the Western park boundary, not 2 KM away like you state. In the plan, there will be more parkland and a cruise ship dock on that property. Why in the world would they tear up existing park land to drop these condos in when they can start fresh on that parcel of land without cluttering up the PUBLIC park? Isn't it a better idea to have the hotel directly adjacent to the dock where the cruise ship passengers come ashore? Where is the logic in putting the hotel a couple of hundred metres away from the dock? I just don't get how you guys get the idea I'm against this development. I have made it quite clear that I'm 100% in favor of developing the waterfront and 99% in favor if the existing plan. My only concern is the location of the condos/hotel. People just need to use a bit of common sense and it will all come together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bronzeback Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Did any of you even read my post? About contamination and ESA reports? It doesn't appear so by your comments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TerryK Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Did any of you even read my post? About contamination and ESA reports? It doesn't appear so by your comments. I did read it actually, I just didn't comment because wampa and my friend grumpy got me riled up again! lol I have read and understand the contaminated soil issue, but from all indications the city means to go ahead with the development of that site, if not now, in the future. If this is the case then this property will be cleaned up no matter what is to be built there. This is a classic case of this city being taken for a ride, then getting stuck with the bill. If they would have played their cards right, the taxpayers would have never been stuck with the cost of demolishing the elevator as well as the clean up of the land. It's going to be an expensive lesson. I do have a question for you. What do you think the chances are that an outside enterprise will purchase the Pool 6 property considering the cleanup cost said buyer will have to burden? I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that's just never going to happen. If this was Toronto, or Calgary, sure, it would be worth it, but not here. No matter what happens in the Marina, the taxpayers are going to be stuck with the cost of that cleanup. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big Moose Report post Posted February 12, 2008 as for the skate park i'm against it,there are signs along the board walk no skate boards yet when you go for a walk who goes flying by a kid or kids on skate boards.so if they can't obey the rules there. just my thought. arvey Skateboarding is not a crime! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bronzeback Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Great point Terry, I agree that the clean up will be our responsibility regardless, my point is sugar coating (showing the pool 6 and area all as a lovely park, complete with new marina), in the their visual draft of the marina development, may lead some people to think this is included in the proposed budget. BB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TerryK Report post Posted February 12, 2008 as for the skate park i'm against it,there are signs along the board walk no skate boards yet when you go for a walk who goes flying by a kid or kids on skate boards.so if they can't obey the rules there.then what will the park end up looking like and who is going to pay for the up keep?one of the proponents for the park developement said just build it and people will flock here,well the same thing was said about our hospital and the doctors would come well that hasn't happened. now if they want to build a hotel why not add the casino to that and go on the old pool 6 site instead of the shoebox they have now.the other question that comes to my mind is,if these people are pushing so hard for such a ludicrous idea then what's in it for them or one of their buds? usually when dumb things like this happens it means money in somebodies pocket. just my thought. arvey I don't know how I missed your post arvey but just let me point some things out to you. First, the whole reason to build the skate park is to keep the kids OFF the boardwalks and sidewalks. If they have a state of the art park to ride in why would they even want to ride anywhere else? Second, the vast majority of the funds were raised but the Thunder Bay Skate Coalition. These are federal and provincial funds. The upkeep of a 90% concrete and steel park will be minimal obviously, but most if not all of that upkeep will be done by the private citizens in the TBSC. They even have a safety coordinator in place and many volunteers, myself included, to keep the place clean and safe. Third, In my years of attending skate competitions and events, I've been nothing but impressed with the kids and adults involved. Most of these people are polite, well mannered and mindful of their language when children are present. Most kids have parents present when there is a competition and the whole atmosphere is a fun and relaxing one. Try saying that about a kids competitive hockey tournament! I suggest you attend one of the event this summer at Current River Skate Park and just talk to some of the parents about your concerns. I'd be willing to bet you'll be surprised! Contact me and I'll let you know the dates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest canuck Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Skateboarding is not a crime! True.....just those riding them! Just kidding Terry.....couldn't resist. Shane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TerryK Report post Posted February 12, 2008 True.....just those riding them! Just kidding Terry.....couldn't resist. Shane Yeah yeah. if you didn't have that gun....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arvey 154 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 I don't know how I missed your post arvey but just let me point some things out to you. First, the whole reason to build the skate park is to keep the kids OFF the boardwalks and sidewalks. If they have a state of the art park to ride in why would they even want to ride anywhere else? Second, the vast majority of the funds were raised but the Thunder Bay Skate Coalition. These are federal and provincial funds. The upkeep of a 90% concrete and steel park will be minimal obviously, but most if not all of that upkeep will be done by the private citizens in the TBSC. They even have a safety coordinator in place and many volunteers, myself included, to keep the place clean and safe. Third, In my years of attending skate competitions and events, I've been nothing but impressed with the kids and adults involved. Most of these people are polite, well mannered and mindful of their language when children are present. Most kids have parents present when there is a competition and the whole atmosphere is a fun and relaxing one. Try saying that about a kids competitive hockey tournament! I suggest you attend one of the event this summer at Current River Skate Park and just talk to some of the parents about your concerns. I'd be willing to bet you'll be surprised! Contact me and I'll let you know the dates. well terry if i'm wrong then fine i'll be the first to admit it,so let's build it and go from there.also please don't try and tell me all skateboarders are goody goodies because that's the picture your trying to paint.there's good kids and bad and skateboarders are not exempt. by the way what's so differant about a hockey parent,soccer ,baseball i guess all these parents are to involved and are no good.i was involved in minor hockey for a few years and yes some of them can be a pain,but some were great to deal with. so again there's good and bad everywhere. arvey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TerryK Report post Posted February 13, 2008 well terry if i'm wrong then fine i'll be the first to admit it,so let's build it and go from there.also please don't try and tell me all skateboarders are goody goodies because that's the picture your trying to paint.there's good kids and bad and skateboarders are not exempt. by the way what's so differant about a hockey parent,soccer ,baseball i guess all these parents are to involved and are no good.i was involved in minor hockey for a few years and yes some of them can be a pain,but some were great to deal with. so again there's good and bad everywhere. arvey I can see how you think that arvey, but I did say MOST of the kids were great. I'm not quite dumb enough to fool myself into thinking they are all perfect, but in my experience, most are cool. None of my kids played hockey but my sisters did for 15 years so I've seen my share of hockey parents and kids, as well as soccer parents, baseball parents, and some of the worst: motocross parents! I just didn't think I had to use 4 or 5 different examples to get my point across. Anyhoo, we are a bit off topic here so I'll leave it at that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
