Trevor Zimak 171 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Starting Friday, if you are travelling to Fort this weekend you can expect to pay a toll to use highway 11 as the First Nations peoples of Chouchiching (may have spelt it wrong) Reserve will be charging non band member drivers a toll to use the highway. ($1.00 to $10.00 depending on the vehicle you drive or if you are towing a boat) And apparently, they will be selling monthly passes for a $100 or so. So I'm thinking this is going to go on for some time. According to the news, the reason they are protesting is to raise awareness about land use issues, as well as local contamination of their soils from local saw mills. They are upset because the government has being using their land and they are not being compensated for it? The only analogy I can use is basically, the government has told them, well you have to live here in this house and we are going to use your spare bedroom and not pay you any rent. I think all this is going to do is further develop animosity and even though they have no legal right to do this, I doubt the police are going to be enthuastic about getting involved; look at what happen in Ipperwash. I for one cannot support this issue. I think that the First Nations of Chouchiching Reserve are going about this in the wrong way. All this is going to do is create a further division of entities between existing factions. Instead of attacking the government and politicans, they are now attacking their neighbours and putting the cost on them, when it has been the government who has been dragging their feet on this issue for some time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eddylives 99 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Are they nuts , time for the law men to step in and put a stop to this nonsence....... Now exactly where will this toll charge be happening?? I for one do not want to be around this type thing , it will probably end up very bad for those that end up involved. Quote Have no fear of perfection.....you will never reach it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eddylives 99 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Do you have a link to this story? Quote Have no fear of perfection.....you will never reach it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azarius 10 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Couchiching FN To Install Toll Booth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thefishleclair 175 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Good read!! Hope everyone all gets what they want in the end. Quote Grumpas' Baits Check it out on FB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tracker 61 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 The tax payer paying the bills for both parties will definetly get it in the end. Quote Tracker Team NOSA Homepage Born to Fish, Forced to Work <')(((((>{ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azarius 10 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 The tax payer paying the bills for both parties will definetly get it in the end. I'm sure it'll cost $100,000 on the policing end at least... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wampa 18 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 If you refuse to pay, they are going to photograph your face and license plate and try to get you charged with trespassing under the Indian Act, although Treaty Three Police has apparently said they will not charging anyone. I for one will not be giving any more of my money to these people for use of a public highway. Quote Never hold your farts in.They travel up your spine into your brain, and that is where crappy ideas come from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D-Rock Report post Posted May 19, 2010 I wonder how many millions it would cost to extend the Noden Causway around Cooch? I was also thinking how this toll would effect the use of their golf course? Do they want business? This is a very bad decision and will only serve to stir up more animosity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre 21 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Not sure how valid this is, but I have heard that if they try and stop you and force you to pay the toll you are to dial 911 or call the OPP not sure which and they will come and deal with it. Apparantly it is illegal to block a provincial highway....Should be an interesting drive to my parents house in fort frances this weekend anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azarius 10 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Not sure how valid this is, but I have heard that if they try and stop you and force you to pay the toll you are to dial 911 or call the OPP not sure which and they will come and deal with it. Apparantly it is illegal to block a provincial highway....Should be an interesting drive to my parents house in fort frances this weekend anyways. Do NOT call 911 or the OPP. The OPP/Treaty 3 officers will be ATS monitoring the situation... Keep calm heads and hopefully things will be resolved peacefully without any serious incidents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre 21 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Do NOT call 911 or the OPP. The OPP/Treaty 3 officers will be ATS monitoring the situation... Keep calm heads and hopefully things will be resolved peacefully without any serious incidents. Good point, You would think if the OPP were gonna do something they would be there and not wait for the calls to start coming in, however if they aren't there I would be giving the OPP a call, no way I'm paying the toll...Thats what 4x4 is for Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eddylives 99 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Every time the first nations starts doing things like this the government should...... Step in and start laying fines or penalties that are deducted directly from the money coming to them , evenyually it would lead to the proper channels being used instead of these terrorist tactics of civil disobedience and blockades of our public lands. Quote Have no fear of perfection.....you will never reach it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wampa 18 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Or maybe just throw 'em 100 pennies and give 'em one of these Quote Never hold your farts in.They travel up your spine into your brain, and that is where crappy ideas come from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Some Old Guy 968 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 I have read about the concerns on the Couch reserve. They are valid concerns. Very valid concerns. The 500,000 dollars was a slap in the face to the Chief, Council and last mentioned, to the members of the Couch Reserve that was offered for the messed up survey done before 1910 for the land trade off. The contaminated ground where there are 6 residents is also a very valid concern for the contaminates the Sawmill left behind. The HWY concern, yes, if there was a mess up it should be dealt with by the Federal Government. I agree. What was the land value back in 1910? Or was this concern sat on for a long term investment? The sawmill contaminants? Maybe deal with the company that left them there if they are still in business. Or if the government made statement to restoring the land back to being prestine, then the entity should look after it. I will not pay the toll. I already paid my taxes this year. Roger Quote R.T.R. Respect the resource! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snotrocket 4 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Gonna have to watch the news after I get back Tuesday to see what happens LOL. Have a nice weekend:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest drk Report post Posted May 19, 2010 One word ..... Ridiculous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Some Old Guy 968 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 I thought that I might add that this is a demonstration to get EVERYBODY involved to bring this certain issue first and foremost. Roger Quote R.T.R. Respect the resource! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smack Um Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Couchiching FN To Install Toll Booth Wow that is one heck of a long thread and bound to get longer as the days go on and on and on and............ Smack Um Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Resource Pimp 60 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 Seems simple to me................not only were they there first, but they even had a "reservation" lol Quote "If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles." Click on banner to visit Bedas Lodge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
levi64 72 Report post Posted May 19, 2010 I think I'm going to block the armstrong highway and charge 2 bucks a vehicle, wonder if the OPP will arrest me right away for the crime,, of which it surely is... Good thing other companies and persons don't follow suit when they have a problem. I for one am tired of the native dramatics,,give me, give me.. get with the program and pay for a lawyer like everyone else has to do... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Donny Report post Posted May 20, 2010 Are they nuts , time for the law men to step in and put a stop to this nonsence....... Now exactly where will this toll charge be happening?? I for one do not want to be around this type thing , it will probably end up very bad for those that end up involved. Are they nuts, maybe yes and maybe no and who knows, are they are trying to resolve their land entitlement issues by getting this type of attention from the Feds and Provincial governments while tormenting the public. These land treaties that our forefathers signed has become a thorn on the side of governments and the taxpayers, and for some reason the Provincial and Federal Governments tend to drag these things out to no end with very few resolves. The blockade will be at the causeway on the Fort Francis end as you get on the reserve. As for the law, they will not do anything regarding Native road blockades besides monitoring the situation, just read up on the Caledonia fiasco in southern Ontario which went on for years over land issues and the Ipperwash disaster which ended up in tumoil with the Harris Conservatives which tried to stand up to this type of protest and ended up with one dead when the law stepped in, and lets not forget these land tittle issues which are rarely settled is at the taxpayers expenses footing the bill as usual when these blockades occur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Donny Report post Posted May 20, 2010 The tax payer paying the bills for both parties will definetly get it in the end. Agreed, and that what makes my blood boil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Donny Report post Posted May 20, 2010 I'm sure it'll cost $100,000 on the policing end at least... It will be more like $ 100,000 plus a week if it gets out of hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Donny Report post Posted May 20, 2010 I think I'm going to block the armstrong highway and charge 2 bucks a vehicle, wonder if the OPP will arrest me right away for the crime,, of which it surely is... Good thing other companies and persons don't follow suit when they have a problem. I for one am tired of the native dramatics,,give me, give me.. get with the program and pay for a lawyer like everyone else has to do... Lets put it this way, if you block any road or highway and your a hard working contributing taxpayer protesting and trying to make a statement even for a short period of time, you can bet your a$$ will be hauled off that tar or gravel so fast that you would not have realized what has happened to you until your behind bars for disturbing the peace. That's the way it is, plain and simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites