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I didn't have time to make it to d&r but we headed out this morning. It was my first time really targeting them. The other two in the group said fish close to bottom. I ignored them and used what I had learned here. It was about 25 feet and I was about 10-15 feet off bottom and I landed my first laker. Nice for eating. The next one I caught was working my slender spoon about the same amount off bottom and picked up another. I missed one and lost one at the top of the hole. Although our crew of three only kept 2, the crew had a good time and they missed lots. Thanks for the tips roger. Wolf