Does anyone care to engage on the current situation?

[Some Old Guy 968]

I’m talking about emergency lock down and how it affects out charter of freedom and rights with regards of our activities. 

[Snag??? 173]

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[hank 11]

We have been trying to contact the health unit for an explanation of the camp rule. We have heard you can go to your camp or campground if you have a full season contract to open up. You can't stay for more than 12hrs or if you do stay longer you have to stay for 14 days. Also heard you can't leave for those 14 days. Don't make sense. We aren't leaving our health region to go to camp. It looks like an isolation period to me. Can anyone clarify?

[Fishog 215]

On Pinepoints facebook page they had this posted yesterday. for the boat launch. Wonder how it can be shut down to the public and crown land launches can open to the public? 

 

"Pine Pine Report May 14, 2020. The walleye opener is tomorrow!

But as per the order in place our launch is closed to the public until June 2nd. This has been verified with the TBPHU. I urge you to contact your local MP and the office of Doug Ford if you feel this unfair."

 

They also had this posted for more of the rules. 

https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/200082?fbclid=IwAR3qlZBNLlMCjqXQRIp7syE6iv6RQICNRo--VEMzfC7-roY24bkm6j17W0E

 

[RLK 38]

You can go for 24 hours or 14 days nothing in-between

[oyo 127]

Charter of rights and freedoms is the wrong tree to bark up. The government always has had and always will have the power to control society for what is perceived as a greater good.

 

I think the lock dow is bull crap though, big box stores are allowed to open but small business are getting crushed. 
 

you know what happened after the big real estate crash in 2008? Banks bought up all the houses and turned them into rentals, decreasing home ownership in the states and making it easier to kick people out for non payment vs a mortgage.

 

The covid situation will result in the same redistribution of wealth.  small business and home owners are going to lose out and the big boys have been making bank during this pandemic and will have cash on hand to buy up assets again.

 

the government should have shut crap down last year in February or even January for a month. Declared a real state of emergency, shut down all the big business supply chains and logistics, call out the army to help with food and care, and then back to normal after a month.

 

but they waited and waited because the money must flow and put the burden on us regular folks and made us feel bad that we aren’t doing enough etc.

 

 

Tired of this crap. 

 

[Bobber Down 921]

10 hours ago, Some Old Guy said:

I’m talking about emergency lock down and how it affects out charter of freedom and rights with regards of our activities. 

Many emergency measures imposed in response to COVID-19 could limit Canadians’ rights as guaranteed in the Charter.

 

If emergency measures adopted in response to the COVID-19 pandemic are challenged in court, governments will usually enjoy significant deference. In considering whether limits on Charter rights may be justified under s. 1, courts are unlikely to second-guess government decisions, necessarily made rapidly, about which measures were (or are) necessary to save lives. Nor, in the administrative law context, would courts quash emergency orders unless they rely on an unreasonable interpretation of the legislation under which they have been made. The single exception to the courts’ deferential posture would be in most challenges based on the division of powers; if the rules of Canadian federalism allegedly have been broken, then no deference is warranted unless Parliament is said to have invoked the emergency branch of its peace, order, and good government power.

Judicial oversight of government action is an essential feature of Canada’s legal landscape. Still, modern principles of public law have never been applied in a pandemic, or in its aftermath. In the coming months, courts may well have to apply those principles urgently, as the extraordinary measures implemented in response to COVID-19 implicate the interests of Canadian businesses, organizations, and individuals. The courts’ task in doing so – and the responsibility of governments – will be to ensure that Canada’s efforts to manage this crisis are consistent with our constitutional commitments and the rule of law.

 

For more info: https://www.mccarthy.ca/en/insights/articles/covid-19-limits-governments-emergency-powers

[Feldwebel Wolfenstool 80]

"We're from the Government.  We're here to help you."      ...lol..

[fishingfinn 42]

Our charter of rights and freedoms is certainly being infringed upon, which is concerning - but more concerning to me is the overall sense of apathy from the the majority if the population.  

[tna0066 13]

They can write a ticket, or multiple tickets but will they fight them if challenged in court?

I am not holding back from enjoying land based activities, write me the ticket and i will gladly book time off work to show up and challenge it.

[offroader 49]

That about sums it all up.....  Carry on living --free of irrational fear.  

 

[Russ 2]

On 5/15/2021 at 7:47 PM, tna0066 said:

They can write a ticket, or multiple tickets but will they fight them if challenged in court?

I am not holding back from enjoying land based activities, write me the ticket and i will gladly book time off work to show up and challenge it.

you sound like a smart  person, I'm happy someone said it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!