Surplus Moose tags

[Buck 120 32]

Was anyone successful getting through for a surplus tag?

[Travis Schallock 28]

Was anyone successful getting through for a surplus tag?

still trying.....can't get through

[Guest fishinbuddy]

I tried right from 5:30 until 9:00 and had no luck in getting though the lines were all jammed up.

[Travis Schallock 28]

There has got to be a better way to do this. I also tried from 5:30-9, virtually everytime I got the message 'we cannot direct anymore calls to this location', but I talked to several people from the south who said they never got the message once, they just got a busy signal. But they did get through multiple times and got tags. Even up until 9:10 I was getting the same message, until others called telling me they did or didn't get through and were now getting a message saying it was closed. I couldn't even get that. I don't know if southerners get priority use over the phone lines or not, nothing to do with the MNR. Anyone else have this problem?

[Guest fishinbuddy]

That was the same message that I got or a fast busy signal.

[PRO V 26]

It's a MNR Conspiracy

[Guest marz78]

I couldn't get through. Plus they shut it down at 10 after 9.

[Travis Schallock 28]

I couldn't get through. Plus they shut it down at 10 after 9.

My brother in Sault Ste. Marie, called me at 9:10 and said he got told right at 9 that they were closed. I was still getting the lines are busy message.

[Jayfishin 63]

Well it sounds like the moose draw system is still flawed this year again. I know one guy from southern ontario that got a tag for 21a and who should've been in pool 2 this year?? This surplus tag thing still doesn't make sense to me. How can there be tags available in a WMU when everyone you applied in pool 1 (singles) did not get a tag? I realize that there is a guarenteed group size, who are given tags first, then they supposedly go down one group size and give those people (in groups) tags next. After that, everyone is supposedly put in as singles for the remainder of the tags to be drawn. When a single gets a tag they supposedly check to see if he had applied in a smaller group and remove those other members (as well). This system makes sense so far if the MNR actually followed it. And there is also the 5% advantage for us northerns. But how can a guy who applied in pool 1 not get a tag in a WMU where the MNR is saying there are surplus ones for that same WMU??? Anyone have a good reason. And will this new moose management plan correct these errors in the near future?

Jay

[Guest fishinbuddy]

Jay!, I hear you on the confusion with this system. A couple of years ago I got a tag that was my second choice when I was in pool B. Yet there was people in pool A who did not recieve a tag in the same WMU.......... Why???? I have no clue!!!!! This year I was in pool B and did not not recieve a tag but there was still a total of 54 cow and 40 bull surplus tags in my WMU for the taking. Needless to say I am a little dicsouraged with the system.

Sean

[DC_84 5]

I got through 10 minutes into it last night, but got the message the Outdoors Card blah blah was closed then it was repeated in french and my call was cut off... Never got through again...

Dustin

[Jayfishin 63]

I hear ya Sean. Over the last few years it seems to have gotten alot worse. Hopefully my cousin pulled an archery tag for us in WMU 19. Got a week of holidays booked to try to convince a big donkey that I am what he is looking for starting Sept 25th in your neck of the woods.

Jay

[Jayfishin 63]

I have not really looked into the surplux tag situation this year but is there info out there on what is available and in what WMU or is that something you have to call in for?? Jay

Also how is the surplus tag for deer working out? Is there a wait for these as well?

Jay

I got through 10 minutes into it last night, but got the message the Outdoors Card blah blah was closed then it was repeated in french and my call was cut off... Never got through again...

Dustin

[PRO V 26]

The phone in for deer ended, When they were open it was easy, now you have to go down to your district office to buy the surplus tags but it's pretty painless.

I usually buy my surplus tags in Dryden for the Dryden area, but I'm going down to our district office tommorow here in town to see if i can buy a

tag for the Dryden area.

[Travis Schallock 28]

Jay I hear what your saying, if it is a true draw for tags there should never be any tags left over for surplus if somebody applied and didn't recieve a tag. The whole draw system is flawed as far as I am concerned. Right from tag allotment, for instance WMU13 has 1,150 tags and 18A only has 229, how do they come up with numbers like that, clearly it has nothing to do with moose populations. I'm just using those areas because I hunt them and have a basic knowledge of the amount of game in them, not picking on anyone. I just think that the MNR is catering to the greater populations bases, giving those the tags they want to keep them happy. And not doing what they are supposed to do, which is managing the game animals, giving out tags as the populations see fit.

But from what I have gathered, the reason there have been surplus tags the last few years in easily accessed areas, is that not enough northerners who qualify for the northern draw apply to get those 5% of tags that are held for them. If a person knows they qualify for the northern draw, they should apply on their own, or in a small group, because if they are in a group that meets the guaranteed size, they will get a tag based on the group size, not the northern draw. Leaving those tags for surplus. IMO they should give those surplus tags to the district offices and let the locals of the area get the tags. But that is easy for me to say.

[PRO V 26]

" ..........IMO they should give those surplus tags to the district offices and let the locals of the area get the tags."

For some of us we choose to live in this area because we love the outdoors weather it's camping, fishing, hunting, etc this is who we are, it

kinda sucks that we have to jump through hoops to get tags.

[Monks 164]

We got through for a bull tag. Guess were just lucky have got surplus tags every year for past 4 years. Its all in the dialing technique .

[Guest Ityflies]

I have never had to apply for Deer "surplus tags" I just went down to the ministry office and bought extras.

[Jayfishin 63]

Getting an extra doe tag is not a problem for most areas in northwestern ontario. I wonder if a response will come in the "Ask the MNR" section on this hot topic? Well how about it get it started....Jay

[NorthwestHunter 27]

Hey Guys,

bought my surplus tags today at our district office, there is just over 1100 left for WMU 13. But they sell quick! Just letting you know!

[NorthwestHunter 27]

I just asked someone I know a few questions about the surplus tag system and got some questions of my own cleared up. I do believe the way it works is every draw a certain number of tags are left out of the draw and set aside for use later during the surplus tag call-in session. In essence all hunters who apply for a moose tag in the draw and are unsuccessful can call in and are given a second chance at allocating a tag.

The system will work in my favour next year, as I have obtained a tag this year in the draw while applying on my own. Next year while Im in pool "B" I am almost guaranteed an unseccesful draw. With the telephone system for allocating surplus tags, I am given a second chance...and thats fine with me.

Paul