Province bans camping on crown land

[James01 223]

Isn't "Province bans camping on crown land" the theme of the thread? I like discussing politics more than most, but slandering and calling names isn't really discussing politics - it just shows the limited depth and grasp people really have. Its easy to be a critic, even easier if it only amounts to being critical and negative. Some people here should stick to arguing about the steelhead run, or being less-than-helpful and obtuse to those asking for advice and information on fishing spots. (Or, go and argue on the "off topic" page.)

 

Snowball, thanks for the link … I was unaware of Trudeau's actions. I don't find them surprising. That being said - and back to the topic of the province banning camping on crown land - I am intrigued by Sport's idea of buying "a Wagner pass and go camping on private land." More information on that would be helpful and welcome.  

[crisop 65]

Here is the link to Wagner forest management page.  There is nothing on there for the Covid 19 virus so not to sure if they are allowing camping this summer but call them and find out

 

http://www.wagnerforest.com/

[Bobber Down 921]

Locations to buy permits and cost http://www.wagnerforest.com/recreation-a-sport

[James01 223]

58 minutes ago, crisop said:

Here is the link to Wagner forest management page.  There is nothing on there for the Covid 19 virus so not to sure if they are allowing camping this summer but call them and find out

 

http://www.wagnerforest.com/

Thanks...

[sport 25]

Glad we are back on topic fellow sports people 🤗

I believe there is only 2 places to buy your yearly pass .

D & R which is closed

Fantasy Falls ---- Shell gas station -- ???  name changed again ....

in Kakabeka Falls  .... We used to get them at the store in Shabaqua but I think they stopped selling them .. might be a place in Ignace also for those who may live out that way . lots of parcels of land in their properties . use your provincial maps to locate the old abitibi  ( sp ) cuts which are now wagnor owned I believe . I hunt them every year and miles of roads for ATV and many lakes can be accessed as well .

[crisop 65]

It shows right on bobbers picture where to buy them. There is 6 spots but only two local places

[nunez 10]

If things don’t change Wagner has plans to close down lots of there access roads to anyone who isn’t a land owner/land lease/trapper. 

[Wopfisher 58]

6 hours ago, sport said:

Glad we are back on topic fellow sports people 🤗

I believe there is only 2 places to buy your yearly pass .

D & R which is closed

Fantasy Falls ---- Shell gas station -- ???  name changed again ....

in Kakabeka Falls  .... We used to get them at the store in Shabaqua but I think they stopped selling them .. might be a place in Ignace also for those who may live out that way . lots of parcels of land in their properties . use your provincial maps to locate the old abitibi  ( sp ) cuts which are now wagnor owned I believe . I hunt them every year and miles of roads for ATV and many lakes can be accessed as well .

I believe D&R is open again they closed for two weeks and just reopened last week I picked up some stuff last week there 

[MetalFishing 84]

On 4/16/2020 at 9:55 PM, Wopfisher said:

I believe D&R is open again they closed for two weeks and just reopened last week I picked up some stuff last week there 

9-3, one person in the store at a time 

[Porkchop21 34]

Heard from a CO that Wagner may be following suit with the crown land rules.....

[PajamaSquirrel 20]

I am also concerned that camping on Crown land may be restricted, although I speculate it would be based on numbers of people gathering for the camping activity, rather than the activity on Crown land itself.  

 

If camping does becomes prohibited on Crown land yet still permitted on private land and Wagner were to take advantage of it on their "property", that would be a selfish and irresponsible decision on their part -  in my opinion.  Meet the intent of social (physical) distancing whether there might be a loophole or not.

 

Going sideways for a moment - is anyone else still bothered by this whole "private property" b.s.?  From my research, the former Grand Trunk Pacific Railway was given the blocks of land by the Ontario government in 1905 as a construction subsidy.  They sold the land to Abitibi in 1951 - I've always known it as the Abitibi Freehold blocks.  At the end of 2005, this private forest land was sold to NorthStar Forest Ltd., a subsidiary of Wagner Forest Management Ltd (American company), who now allows recreational access to the land through a purchased permit system.  Ontario actually tried to outbid NorthStar and purchase the land back, and offered more money - but terms and conditions including an environmental assessment took too long and the sale went through for less money - $55 million for 196,000 ha.  Imagine the Province of Ontario being unable to take back, never mind buy back Crown land that they gave away for free.  This still bugs me, it should all be Crown land.

[mad scientist 140]

8 hours ago, PajamaSquirrel said:

Imagine the Province of Ontario being unable to take back, never mind buy back Crown land that they gave away for free.  

The Province gave away all kinds of land in Northern Ontario ("New Ontario") in the early 20th Century, in order to stimulate settlement and economic development in the Region.  And what they didn't give away, the sold dirt cheap (see what I did there....?).  

 

This is from 1914:

[fishman1 164]

10 hours ago, PajamaSquirrel said:

I am also concerned that camping on Crown land may be restricted, although I speculate it would be based on numbers of people gathering for the camping activity, rather than the activity on Crown land itself.  

 

If camping does becomes prohibited on Crown land yet still permitted on private land and Wagner were to take advantage of it on their "property", that would be a selfish and irresponsible decision on their part -  in my opinion.  Meet the intent of social (physical) distancing whether there might be a loophole or not.

 

Going sideways for a moment - is anyone else still bothered by this whole "private property" b.s.?  From my research, the former Grand Trunk Pacific Railway was given the blocks of land by the Ontario government in 1905 as a construction subsidy.  They sold the land to Abitibi in 1951 - I've always known it as the Abitibi Freehold blocks.  At the end of 2005, this private forest land was sold to NorthStar Forest Ltd., a subsidiary of Wagner Forest Management Ltd (American company), who now allows recreational access to the land through a purchased permit system.  Ontario actually tried to outbid NorthStar and purchase the land back, and offered more money - but terms and conditions including an environmental assessment took too long and the sale went through for less money - $55 million for 196,000 ha.  Imagine the Province of Ontario being unable to take back, never mind buy back Crown land that they gave away for free.  This still bugs me, it should all be Crown land.

I suggest that you and several,other put on their glasses and read the thread, Wagner to ban overnight camping.

[Bobber Down 921]

11 hours ago, PajamaSquirrel said:

I am also concerned that camping on Crown land may be restricted,

May be restricted?? Read the title of the original post.

Bans: officially or legally prohibit  or an official or legal prohibition

 

[PajamaSquirrel 20]

Everyone that jumped on my statement is obviously correct - Crown land camping is currently prohibited.  I was thinking ahead to the May long weekend and the traditional start of camping season and whether there would be continuation of the ban. 

 

As for Wagner banning overnight camping, I must've missed that somewhere - is there a link?

 

At least for now it looks like fishing can carry on: https://oodmag.com/news/no-changes-to-fishing-premier/

 

 

[tbayfinn 47]

On 4/19/2020 at 11:13 PM, PajamaSquirrel said:

I am also concerned that camping on Crown land may be restricted, although I speculate it would be based on numbers of people gathering for the camping activity, rather than the activity on Crown land itself.  

 

If camping does becomes prohibited on Crown land yet still permitted on private land and Wagner were to take advantage of it on their "property", that would be a selfish and irresponsible decision on their part -  in my opinion.  Meet the intent of social (physical) distancing whether there might be a loophole or not.

 

Going sideways for a moment - is anyone else still bothered by this whole "private property" b.s.?  From my research, the former Grand Trunk Pacific Railway was given the blocks of land by the Ontario government in 1905 as a construction subsidy.  They sold the land to Abitibi in 1951 - I've always known it as the Abitibi Freehold blocks.  At the end of 2005, this private forest land was sold to NorthStar Forest Ltd., a subsidiary of Wagner Forest Management Ltd (American company), who now allows recreational access to the land through a purchased permit system.  Ontario actually tried to outbid NorthStar and purchase the land back, and offered more money - but terms and conditions including an environmental assessment took too long and the sale went through for less money - $55 million for 196,000 ha.  Imagine the Province of Ontario being unable to take back, never mind buy back Crown land that they gave away for free.  This still bugs me, it should all be Crown land.

 

Definitely an issue for me. The biggest land screw up in Ontario history and then repeated when the government didn't buy it back from Abitibi before Wagner scooped it. I'm sure a good lawyer could find that the original "sale" to Grand Trunk Pacific was likely flawed. But it's northern Ontario and no one in Toronto cares...

 

A snippet from Grand Trunk Pacific Railway history attached.

 

[Dale 21]

Such a contrast between Canadians and Americas , in Michigan protests have already begun against the bans on recreation,and Canadians are so eager to be good little citizens and obey government.if you are an adult you should be able to make proper decisions to keep yourself safe without the government dictating what we can and can't do, and if you can't it's probably best if you do stay home . Come on sheepeople grow a spine and stand up for your rights, after all this is still canada isn't it? Remember when the government says they're going to keep you safe you're about to loose your rights and when they're gone they're usually gone forever!

[James01 223]

14 hours ago, Dale said:

Such a contrast between Canadians and Americas , in Michigan protests have already begun against the bans on recreation,and Canadians are so eager to be good little citizens and obey government.if you are an adult you should be able to make proper decisions to keep yourself safe without the government dictating what we can and can't do, and if you can't it's probably best if you do stay home . Come on sheepeople grow a spine and stand up for your rights, after all this is still canada isn't it? Remember when the government says they're going to keep you safe you're about to loose your rights and when they're gone they're usually gone forever!

 

Do you remember the following?

I believe the American flag bandana wearing, mullet sporting Cardinal fan was engaged in a protest (in the U.S.) over rights. Follow their example, I think not - because this is the kind of person protesting in Michigan and elsewhere. And it isn't just 'The Government,' its health experts - and its almost everyone in the know telling us to distance and isolate. What the virus and isolation/distancing is not is a conspiracy to rob us of our rights. I bet the guy in the photo used terms like "sheep peeple," "grow a spyne," and "stand up for y'all rights" as well (grammar corrected to reflect the 'iddiot' in the photo ;)). 

[oyo 127]

Lol, anyone who thinks we don’t need social constructs is a moron. Like if people were just completely left to their devices we would all be killing each other. You get a good 50 years of civilization with minimal wars, suffering and poverty in the western world and all of a sudden we need to tear it all down because “muh rights”. We truly are lucky to be alive during this time in history, instead of literally any other era. 

[FishinFinn 40]

1 hour ago, oyo said:

Lol, anyone who thinks we don’t need social constructs is a moron. Like if people were just completely left to their devices we would all be killing each other. You get a good 50 years of civilization with minimal wars, suffering and poverty in the western world and all of a sudden we need to tear it all down because “muh rights”. We truly are lucky to be alive during this time in history, instead of literally any other era. 

I think you meant to say “moran”